The some, few, or many that find those words either odious in their reference (to what is commonly called a religious figure, Jesus Christ) or offensive in some implication of their necessity to be forgiven for their not knowing, they nevertheless stand:
“Forgive them Father, they know not what they do”
Here a man is speaking in a conversation we are now made privy to. He is not talking to us, but before us. But now the words are there regardless if one considers them one sided and not a conversation at all, as though the man is “only speaking to thin air” with no hearer addressed for bearing of witness. But now…you hear them. You are now in that place as hearer. You are now witness to those words….even if knowing they are not to you, can you resist the knowing they are “about” you? Do you think you can impeach them as “not conversation”, as not communication from one to another? Or will your witnessing as a witness prove you impeached? Do you…know?
Accepting the impeach-ability of all of one’s knowing is a work far beyond any operation one man could exercise upon another. Oh, we may receive instruction in part (as we all have) and according to our own arrangements as in “I will sit under this professor (but only) because I acknowledge his expertise, skill, or experience as outstripping my own”. But to engage with one who (as mentioned several pages back) can and would say “You have no idea of what you are doing…do you?” would at least provoke some resistance in either as forthright a response as “Who do you think you are to say that?” or even the more subtle attempts to show one does indeed know what they are doing, as proof of negation. And so they would…do. And continue to do till either they could prove themselves as knowing or proof to them they do not was made plain. And of course, I cannot prove this to you.
Even were one to concede in any part that their own consciousness (which sits supremely and presumes to utter of its objectivity to each of us) is found merely a hodgepodge of balls and strikes pitched to a self by parents or guardians, intellectual aptitude, experiences, friends, enemies, experiments, and wonderings in all limited to what that self has contacted in all circumstance(s); still the mind is trapped in that lie it tells itself…”I can rise above in all reason to survey it, and from there find the sense and reason of it all and hold objectivity“.
There may be nothing funnier to hear than a man (even any man) speaking of objectivity.
Yes, the pretty who girl who seems to find out early how to open doors with just a smile might like to think she can know other…but it is far too late. For even were she to set out to know how “less pretty girls fair”, she has already been set to her place from which such undertaking is even motivated. Our desire to know is actually the plainest proof that we do not. And to find we can do nothing about that, well, who could either bear to say it, or receive it?
And maybe as equally funny to hear is the man who thinks himself enough (or thinks of himself as enough) to utter “I am really just seeking the truth”…as though entitled to it. Even as though what by admission is lacking it in the consequence of seeking it, would know it if seen.
If you have, in any way partaken in any portion of these few words, I am your debtor. And it is a debt I am totally unable to repay. There is a charge against my account as a man of which I am only barely aware, and of which (and of myself) I am in all disability to discharge. In one sense it matters not if I continue, as though incurring more charge, or desist; what is done by thought, word, or deed has already been done and I am in no position other than any other man to make an accounting for myself to any satisfaction. I am as stuck as any in a vanity and frustration made aware to me well before I tapped out anything upon this keyboard. I am a man who cannot…undo.
The “do” of me, once undertaken in all blithe mimicry I did not avoid nor could have of myself, has been presented to me of some adequacy. I can only leave you to judge whether adequacy in this case is accuracy. A self which in the beholding of “other’s doing” prompted a response to either do in accordance or resist of obstinacy. A self of some form of consciousness presumed adequate to judge according to its own knowing. At whatever moment this took place remains hidden to me, but that I am sure it occurred somewhere, and at some time, leaves me little doubt. “I will be like some others, and I will not be as some others”. Here mimicry is no more laudable than resistance. And recalcitrance, obstinacy…even rebellion when accounted, have all the same root. For the mimic and the resistor are all of one in the self same…self. A self considering itself…as adequate to itself. It can do no more than it sees or even imagines. Yet at any and every point it remains convinced “I know what I know”. (To ask here whether you agree would be the mootest of all matters)
But listen here, if you can. If you can. From where I write is to some form of another self, and I can either assume you are in some way no different than this self writing, or altogether not at all “like”. Either our “selves” hold some commonality or they do not. And I am to one either betraying some form of consciousness of self to another, or must appear to some “other” one as a traitor (betrayer) of reason…even of consciousness. A fool and liar dressed as a man. How this is all “out of my hands” is made too plain to me. Gibberish or some appeal to a likeness I once foolishly thought in my control.
This self from which I compose and have done my doings, has known a thing as regret. It has done according to some impetus toward an imagined end. But at the point of its doing, at that or those moments of impetus toward, it did not know it was all and only dealing in imaginings; it actually embraced to itself the knowing of outcome. “If I do this, this must surely happen” (or such and such will not happen). Only later by failing or failure (whose depths are measurably equated to experience of regret) did it come to be seen as not knowing but only imagining (as self created image). And being surveyed then as either a lesson “learned” (trying to eke some success out of failure, even if painful) the failing was never truly addressed as to its true nature. The failing was assumed to be only in execution, and the depth of regret became the tutor, the taskmaster to ensure that the “knowing better now” remained the knowing better now…to ensure better execution. Taste regret…and remember. See how it tastes? Yuck! Remember. Do better…now. Yes, I was (and often remain) in that circumstance with regret as tutor…until I am disabused.
Yes, I am inclined very much toward acknowledging regret and its consequence of shame in failing as the most potent teacher my self can know. And such knowing is and remains most potent until such disabusing comes (by rebuke) that makes too plain a thing as stated above…I cannot undo.
I am forbidden a fruit I am all inclined to taste and enjoy. That from failure or failing in whatever experience I am allowed to “take away” (eke out a success) by embracing “now (or more saliently “but now”) I know better.“
For the rebuking question, and questioner…has come. Not of my bidding, nor surely not of my will nor desire. For I would in all, and in every circumstance (but for the rebuker) always opt, choose, desire, to think of myself no matter what pile of failures trail me…as one who “knows better…now”.
But ahh, that rebuker!
His question cuts to the heart of it, shreds in his advance past all my imaginings (as vain as they are) shown by supreme ease with which he cuts through them. Where I was stopped he advances. Where I saw end, even end in proposition of “better execution” to avoid shame and failure…he cuts through as sharpened iron swung through vapor. All my thoughts of doing better…because I now “know better” are shown as the rank vanity they are.
His question is supremely simple, yet in it holds all deliverance from regret and shame though it appears as most shamelessly asked, too brazen, too bold, too extreme of rashness for myself to either accept or even conjure. Yet it is…the question…something or someone brings to “my self” in consciousness. It’s light is too cutting. Too precise. This consciousness invading…is other.
No, it has not been my execution, that if perfected would ensure better and shameless outcome than of knowing failure and regret. That is and always has been the limit of my knowing. The “How to do.“
The question above all that either comes or does not, but is nevertheless there, regardless, has all to do with the man who sees now what he did not know “then” and is even moved to consider “If I had only known…” (in admission of his not knowing) is simple…
“Then why (or what is it) that caused you to think you knew (then) when now you know you did not?”
This one asking is far more about the being of man than the mere doing that is the limit of all men.
The question is again, simple, and though mentioned already it always bears reminding to my self, repeating from a place other to the place of my self. Addressing even all my inclination(s) always to embrace “but now I know better”.
Whatever “then” I occupied prior to my knowing of failure and such regret or shame that accompanied in falling short, was not, nor ever due to execution at all. The failing was in the impetus itself by which such doing ensured itself.
And the impetus was a confidence in my knowing.
Therefore the question provokes “If I no less thought myself as knowing then which has shown itself inadequate to perform to success by its consequence of failure and I am now the man in consequence to that failure, whence comes any assurance “I now know better”?
I do not fail, I am the failing one.
Yes, surely I thought I knew then…enough to do…and did. Just like…now. I am that man.
I cannot undo…that then. Anymore than I can of myself escape any thinking I now know better. I cannot undo…what I am.
How could any man escape the bondage of their own consciousness if that consciousness were always in continual lie to him about its knowing? Fraudulently representing itself as judge and arbiter of what is…and can be? Even to such point that the man could think or say “If I had known better…” (as though he could “replace” himself there, in that other moment he now sees of not knowing) and telling the man he can be “better”.
Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.
Seek the consequence of that man’s doing. He knows what He knows. He is unfailing.
It really is not whether one is cynical or optimistic (about man in his consciousness of knowing) as those words mean little in the context of this discussion. For both, whether describing themselves or being described, would consider themselves realists. The cup half full is the same cup as half empty, neither view can dis-annul the other. Nor establish itself as the more correct.
We are more the cup itself thinking we can hold anything of substance to our own determining; as though we already have some knowledge of how and what a full cup would appear as. And thence determine with some accuracy gradations along the way. But what man ever sees himself clearly of all relativity, being self convinced that at any and every point he could mention or measure…his own consciousness is presently as full as it can be? And, no less, as right as it can be? What could bring a man to see, no less admit, I am right about no thing? How much of such relativity would need be seen, revealed, understood…before a man might say “All my knowing is as nothing in its attaining if I labor according to some measure against all knowing?” And laboring against all knowing is neither a peculiarly nor cleverly phrased description. We walk…to an end. We run to some end of running, we do to some end of doing. And we are conscious to some end of having, or being, conscious.
Yeah, we are deep enough in it now; whether one thinks of it as off into the tall grass, or waist deep in the big muddy, or just the plainest and most common apparition apportioned to every man; his own death. That hour of no more dawn. And where each is moved by a consciousness made exquisitely conscious of its own limit though unable to receive it as so. Consciousness cannot enter the place of its own non-being, and even so, it looks, it devises, it becomes as death is becoming to it (as one writer whose quote I have never been able to find again, put it) all and only metaphor. Surely it perceives and has, others dying…but to itself death is merely a symbol, a metaphor…whose reality is incomprehensible to itself. Even the most rational thinking (or those touted so) and man full of his own reasonings (as atheist or agnostic as he may be) cannot forbid himself from all his own illogic in taking a “peek”.
“I have looked, and there’s nothing there”. (Except me…to come back and report)
It’s been said elsewhere that a man’s not knowing or not knowing much about a thing has never prevented him from speaking about it. To ourselves we are (please disagree) pretty much experts about the reality of things. Lacking claim of knowing everything does not in any way diminish our own persuasion that we are, and to ourselves, as much in touch with reality as any other…(and often persuaded, more so). We know what has happened to us or around us, what things have touched us by experience, what things reinforce our knowing of what we know, and/or that we even do…know. Things that reinforce to us our knowing, and that our knowing is real. We are fully persuaded our own consciousness is real, and more, that it could never be found as all working in us according to fraud.
For who could take kindly to this statement “You have no idea what you are doing” or if followed by this question “Do you?”…? For we all believe that fundamentally we have reason for what we do as according to who we are. And for as much as either time would allow or inclination be abundantly present we could supply all the reason(s) we are what and who we are, and why and to what end…we do what we do. We are quite sure in such matter all our reason and reasoning is sound, or else plainly…we would be someone else. We are sure we are who we are…with reason. And to the extreme…with even good reason. Who could bear the facing, could any bear such facing(?) that all our own reason (and reasoning) are merely an invented thing of our own self? Is there anything a man considers more sound to himself than his own reasoning?
I do not mean to rehash what was stated previously, but it is inescapable. If reason only exists as a product or construct of man in a material universe, that is, that it has no reality to be found in or for the universe prior to man’s appearing; it cannot be identified as either a transcendent matter or even native matter…but only a construct, a contrivance, an invention of man…and as such is as malleable, as subject to manipulation and revision by any man as anything else man creates. Our (even if total) agreement as to how reason is accorded some place of immutability (not unlike truth) is also, and no less, such a construct. Again we find foundations in which we were once sure of immovability, or even supreme compass, is as fragile and useless as dust to us for navigations. Yet we are full of them. Reasons and reasonings whereby we undertake all we undertake.
And we live here, thinking (our) reason in some ways supreme, yet notwithstanding able to easily pronounce when vexed by question of its supremacy…”Don’t be concerned, “I have my reasons”…(for doing or being such and such). And so reason, as no less truth, is as easily assigned to being “one’s own” (as in “speak your truth”) and is de facto no more than opinion. Its self claim of supremacy is also therefore cleverly cloaked in total immunity for every man freely possesses what is “his own”. And who can deny every man not only holds his own opinions overall, but is also and no less assured, he is entitled to them?
So, it is not even so much that reason and reasoning might be manipulated, it is already the all that can be, and is…totally, constantly, irrevocably. Man manipulating all he is subject to of himself, a god of his own creation as over him, but in all ways, and no less, subject to his whim and circumstance. The man who says “you should never steal” on one day, full of all his reason(s) for saying so (or even believing it to himself with all reason) might find in a week of starvation an untended loaf of bread. And how much more reason now dictates something else. Throw in a starving family for whom he feels responsibility, and you have the makings of all immunity from prior statements or convictions. Man tries to secure himself, even assure himself in all reason, till he finds he cannot. And how easily he may learn of circumstance thrust to him, or upon him, for which and by which his reason is totally powerless to inure against.
But is it really so necessary as to require explanation of how man becomes all indebted in, and to, matters of his own creation? Even life dependent? Let the lights but flicker and find how easily thoughts are turned.
Man’s gods always need attending. And maintenance. Yes, even his reason and reasoning.
I find myself at this point facing that vanity mentioned, that frustration of sorts inherent in any and all of man’s undertakings. But this is no strange circumstance as though overtaken by some unanticipated resistance suddenly appearing or sprung up. It is the square facing of a truth any sober man must face as having any recognition of himself as being man, or “a” man. Any will or desire to know or understand (anything) speaks most plainly of the de facto estate of not knowing, and not understanding. How can it not be so? The very will or desire to know as a hunger, or a hunger of sorts, is the most plain evidence of lack. Who could hide it? And more to the point perhaps, if considering any matters regarding truth….why? Why would man, even any man, find such as might be shame in not knowing that he either try to hide his plainest hunger…or by lying, deny it in “I already understand”?
It kind of turns the notion of homo sapiens (if one cares to identify as such) from the Latin for “wise man” to “man who wants to know if wisdom exists”.
Do you see a “trap”, perhaps even the trap of all first laid if we proceed in blithe acceptance of knowing ourselves first as such…that is…wise? Yet we all “step out” from a somewhere in all assurance that that somewhere is of knowing to us…”I know…and step out in will to now know more.” And if this is at all our condition, even such as might be called all presumption of all false assumption…who could reverse it? Simply put…who therefore could even know…they do not know? What work could make that...work? Something would need cause us to see all first assumptions about our relationship to the real, even matters of our own selves are at very least skewed; and at extreme, of no foundation at all. We would have to enter the dark of all not knowing. Even with consciousness. For if first premise(s) is/are wrong, all coming after as built in consequence upon will be error.
It’s easy to see that here any and all of my own contentions, propositions, and observations over these last several thousands of words must fall flat. Totally frustrated to isolation apart from any understanding of another man. It cannot but be so. My “self” holds no superior position to any other from which can come any convincing that a man, or any man’s consciousness is in all, questionable. I must no less be subject to such question if seeking to present question to any man in that regard. It is inescapable. And even if taken to extreme of all agreement it is all undone, no matter if multitudes concur, by the opposition of only one. This is why kings cannot sleep well knowing opposition to their rule can exist. Princesses and peas, kings and dissension…even if only imagined whispered, are enough to churn through the night.
A man once said: “You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.” Thus the concept that necessity of agreement is a necessity for support of truth is all undone. And to many this must only appear as frankest invitation to crazy land to what cannot imagine or think otherwise. But the question then remains as asked several thousand words ago…”Who is the high priest of your sanity?”
I’d like to ask you another question. Do you understand why solitary confinement is often both effective and so widely employed as a means of bringing about compliance? It goes a bit farther than merely grasping man as a social animal is able to be made to suffer by the loneliness of isolation. A fully isolated consciousness with no recourse to any confirmation of itself except as from itself becomes terrifying to itself.
When some approach is made to its recognition of itself as being formed of all relativity and the untenable place is entered (or thrown into) of being ruled by itself with all previously assumed foundation of bedrock now exposed as all of shifting sands, the now unavoidable abyss beneath (as has always been beneath) is shown beckoning. It is not as though by this description one should presume a precipice is in proposition. No, not at all. It is not an eroding away of shoreline approaching and threatening a light house’s standing but rather that the lighthouse already sits only upon a cloud of densely constructed presumption with no foundation other. And that it is already, and only by such presumption, only seemingly hovering in an abyss. But it is already falling. Even inwardly and only upon itself.
Of course you do not like such, nor of considering gravity’s relentless work in beckoning all. For here no physical (material) mass is either implied nor to be inferred as necessity for such gravity. Think instead (if you can) in the terms better understood by such saying as “the gravity of the situation” in its complete and utter dreadfulness. And dire fullness.
An isolated consciousness is terrifying to itself. For it can only collapse upon itself.
Painting one’s self into a corner, skating on thin ice, biting off more than one can chew, being in over one’s head…really…who isn’t? (And not knowing one is does not mean one isn’t) This commonness of circumstance, if especially in consciousness, is either so common as to be on the one hand not worthy of mention; or by its commonness, the only thing we do have in common of any worth mentioning. For only by it can any communication (if it can take place) does take place. One either understands this as one understands the significance of the Rosetta stone, or one does not.
Without some “commonness of link” understood, recognizable, interpret-able from “one thing” to another…all is code. Indecipherable without a key.
You do not like any implication of the possibility communication is only of futility? Not that communication is of itself a futile “thing” (another “thing” that can either bear being called a thing in existence, or not) but that all appearances of it, or what we may assume as to its being “as we think of it” is so far distant from the reality of it as to be all illusory, and by that illusion…actually is in that way leading away from any truth of it. But, you don’t like this either. Who could? Not merely the opening of the can of worms that is “how then can I (or any) know anything true?” but a bit more of that bridge we would like to already think is “too far”…that one is already in such delusion as concocted of illusions.
I don’t feel like relenting of anything said earlier, so I will not to. Truth can be played with, mused over, handled like a philosophical dainty or delicacy one either cares to indulge for consideration or forgo…but when rubber meets roads, or a man is being flayed, dissected, or vivisected; he will discover a thing he may not have cared much for to consider as of paramount importance is now all and only the matter of all matters to him. And regardless of the how the relative measures of things may appear in difference or distinction, no man escapes testing. To one it may be flaying, to another a tumble in the Dow index.
And one might even discover they are being tested…by pleasure, in pleasure, and responses to pleasurable experiences. But that often appears the more rare acknowledgment of testing, for the curious default of man is more usually that comforts not be investigated as to their whys, but everyone wants to know about the pebble in their shoe and “take care of it”. How it got in there, and if it can be prevented.
Yes, I do not relent that truth is of paramount importance. Even if one wants to take any issue with such matter of what is above called “testing”. One may not accept such as a fitting or proper understanding, or such assignment of term to these matters of experience. One can simply say “That’s life…things happen…and man generally just does things about, and in response to, things that happen” no need to call it, or any of it, testing. And be no less right in their statement. But to say so is already an admission such a man believes he is, and has been, truthfully informed as to what life is, and specifically as we speak, the life of conscious man. Or man in consciousness.
Yet, he (and if it be you) could be in all denial of the testing we ourselves do most continually within our own selves. Even how much we live by test. Right now, you are even testing these words. Sense? No sense? Useless? Why, at all? Yes, why…at all? Somewhere the testing for resolution of the “all” that is brought to a man’s (even every man’s) consciousness is taking place. Somewhere inside, in his or her little laboratory everything is being measured, sorted, assigned a place of assignment according as one’s consciousness dictates to them.
And all believe their consciousness true…not merely as being true (or “real”) as in just existing, but true in no lesser sense than any absolute that might be assigned that word. It is absolutely true to them, to each, and even to such measure that any or all understanding of what truth is…is submitted to it; their consciousness as arbiter. Even truth, this thing we might in some way consider not arbitrary, as a thing universal and overarching in its being and consequence as both “real” and what is the ultimate of “is”-ing is, is all and only arbitrated (and could only be presumed to be) by a consciousness accepting of itself as a priori, true.
Yes, to most, many, if not all…to begin to muck about in such considerations seems an invitation to “crazy land”. To even for a moment consider in whatever sense it may be framed to, or by, or of a man, that the possibility that my consciousness is not “being true” to me…well, (any seeming invitation aside) does one not see how this matter of “truth” is indeed, paramount?
Therefore I do not relent.
Really, who can? Or could surrender to the notion that one’s consciousness, as is really “all they are and have” is not at all being “true to them?”
What could a man say therefore beyond “Everything I say is a lie”?
And would that be…true?
Someone, most out of their own mind to themselves, and probably in appearance to many others as no less “out of his mind” wrote a sentence, “Let God be true and every man a liar”.
But who can know their own mind lest they be brought out of it, to even see it? Where it, itself…is up for testing?
And what coulddo that?
And of course you cannot believe me, because you believe…yourself.
Is some futility of, and to, what appears as communication now not a supportable contention?
Fear not. Neither you nor I will ever find enough time to explain…ourselves. There is, nor ever was, nor ever shall be…enough time for that. Let that be settled to us, even as resistant that seems to all or any settling. “Let me tell you why I am who I am” is a fool’s work from a thing that is always changing. Neither steadfast, nor immovable.
Are you conscious of motion? Of being moved? Of being…changed?
How many men can one man be if he is always being moved? Changed? Changed from one…or is it to one?
The experience of painting one’s self into a corner, of going so far out on a limb that even any motion to return to a firmer branch or seek backwards toward what once appeared a sturdy trunk is full of all threat of catastrophe, may be familiar to most. The place of knowing one is “stuck”. “The limb is barely supporting me…and if…I now make any move…” it might just be enough to snap it. And “skating on thin ice” also comes to mind.
Stuck in a situation that appears of one’s making; “How high can I go? How far out can I go before losing it?” Or “How fast can I paint this floor, get this “done” without taking time to pay attention to other things that might slow me down?” like…planning for a proper exit.
Yes, (by another analogy) I have bitten off far more than I can chew. Frankly, I don’t know of any time or circumstance in which I have not eventually found this true. And it has always been “my surety”, my assumptions and presumptions of some firm foundation from which to make that first step “out” that I do make, will remain as first support. That it may be called upon, this thing “I left” for venturing or adventuring from. Intrepid seeker…until…”Yikes! Does 911 even work out here?” when I find any and every summit that has ever beckoned has by nature, a precipitous edge.
Just as the question or any question about consciousness holds more questions than answers, so do any questions regarding “what is real?”. And in regards to the analogy above about summits that beckon, it is no less applicable that we can consider digging a hole. We can “dig down” seeking answers for what is bedrock, what is true, real, and firm; no less than we can seek to ascend to some pinnacle whence we believe we can view unimpeded as to what is “all there” or really there. But both hold some peril, heights from which one can fall, or depths that threaten to collapse in on themselves and bury us. And men falling suddenly lose all and every sense of everything but of that falling, men being buried alive are only aware of being swallowed up.
But the point remains can we ever escape ourselves in this endeavor? We are digging, or we are ascending, and this thing of “us” in our consciousness, even any desire, will, or purpose to know is still always predicated upon the presumption that one can…know. Traps have been spoken of, frustration has been spoken of, even a place (call it home) we believe we step “out from” as a surety (believing we already know it firmness very well…or well enough to step out from) in our further quest to know. But what can we face?
Can we face that every step up, or every shovel full set aside in descent has absolute effect upon this place we once believed we knew as “home”? Un-surety as we seek surety there begins to “work its way backward”, or inward, so that as we discover only more un-surety (questions) to be resolved and thus it begins to touch this place we thought we knew very well. Or at very least…well enough to venture out from.
And that once surety about it now displays a failing, fault lines, a foundation not so very sure…as once we presumed. But who has ever been able to escape this? This matter, in all, that may be summed up in any and every matter of movement in what we call “our lives” (and who escapes, if any, this moving…even this thing we call “growing”?) a very frank and often found question “why in the world did I do that?”
It can be in response to a word (or words) spoken, it can be when finding a frail support is revealed as more frail than we hoped for holding up, or recovering in a hospital bed post splenectomy thinking we could jump our bike to a ramp 10 inches too distant from where we landed, or surveying the dank walls of a jail cell the morning after we abandoned that fleeting thought of calling an Uber instead of driving home from the bar.
No (or yes), there are millions of examples we can each either imagine or find of ourselves in having experience of, “I never should have left that stove on to take that phone call”. I should have…known better.
“Why in the world did I do that?”
And they may range from the relatively benign to those of such dire consequence from which some seem to find no relief. But who can avoid either literally or figuratively “taking steps” with their equipment; in this case, consciousness? One could ask Oppenheimer what he meant when he said “I am become Shiva destroyer of worlds” when his success(es) culminated before his eyes.
Or as a surgeon friend once had the honesty to admit to a “lesser” as myself, “If I knew the crushing responsibility that I would find in this work, I am not sure if knowing of it I would ever have pursued it”. Such honesty is rare as a gem.
But no man, we might clearly see…could ever “know then” what he “knows now”. His knowing in “that” then is all and only what has led him to “this” now. Otherwise in “his knowing” in the “then” would mean a very different man in the now…and would be “here” speaking.
How many men does one man imagine he himself could be?
Please remember it was said that I offer (nor can) any proof of God, even the God I am coming to trust as being in indivisible union with and in Himself; that is one in truest sense of unity and integrity. No, I cannot. But I can only speak of what may remain of illusion in man, even in every man that he is of himself, one. Even of some demonstrable mathematics of how utterly divisible he is. For the moment he thinks or speaks “I should have” he is in de facto admission he believes he could be “other”. Even “that man” that knew better.
And yet what man is not sure “he is what he is” or could be other…in “the now” whence he presently thinks, acts, or speaks? Yes, we all seem to know, or like to, who we are. Where we are. What we are. This place where we are both in, and by, our own knowing. Or at least imagine we know who we are.
But if, or when, this starts to shake…who knows how deep the tremors may go, or long continue? Are we falling? Are we being swallowed up? For if we ever come to that place of it being revealed “I am not the man I thought I was”, what could ever inform our knowing in the now that presently…we could even think or say it with any knowing? If I “didn’t know then”…how can I know…now?
And I am way over my head here in any speaking or writing. No matter referenced as pinnacle nor depth, all still remainsover my head, and beneath my feet. A sky I still know nothing of spreads above and what remains beneath in any digging I may imagine accomplished. Have I ascended at all in steps? Have I truly dug at all?
I can only fix my position in all relativity, and by relativity. I cannot escape this, do you? I am as stuck in consciousness as every other no matter in how much of self convincing I might like to think I can “stand apart” from it for any examination or understanding. It is all I “have” to do anything with. I have nothing with which to measure my yardstick against for any sure accuracy.
If in a closed system.
For if I, or even we, am/are the only consciousness to be found in it where I presume it once wasn’t…but now is… and is that very thing (the only thing?) informing me (or even us) that things are, even that any thing…is…how could I know? How would I even know consciousness as a thing? And so much more…as a “real” thing? This “thing” by which I/we…have all and only, and everything…to do?
Do you think perhaps in some wild imagination some alien will show up to explain? Yet if “it” is from the same system of closed-ness, how could you trust it? Do you imagine you will progress (or even humanity or some form of it) to being “another man”, who in some “then” will understand to surety? Ascend, develop, evolve, progress…to some surety of knowing? Is this what the amalgam of proteins “thought” in some primordial ooze? “We’ll know ourselves…someday?” The molecules before?(Be very careful about attributing any, or even most rudimentary form of consciousness to “know” anything, for where does that come from, initially, then…if once it “wasn’t”?)
I am told a very smart man (very smart being in all onlyrelative, truly) once said that:
“I once was not, now I am, and soon will not be”. Who does this not describe?
Yes, all my evidences are purely anecdotal, empirical. If data is the requirement of truth, that is that truth requires support and can only be supported by our investigations and collections of data for its being, its being is not at all transcendent. Why even speak of it then as having any being?
To each, it is all and only then, no more than the spewing of personally collected data points. Small wonder how popular has become “speak your truth”. The reduction of, and conflation of truth with opinion, is of some utility to a certain mind. Even the mind in claim of desiring and devoted to order, but that in all practicality reveals itself chaos driven.
But what resort could a thing have that to itself is founded only by random pairings, timeless couplings of careening and caroming molecules that produced it to think, to speak, to believe it knows? Who could blame it for loving its paternity of utterly perceived (and conceived) randomness? Its simply…happening. What else could it do? Actually, what else could it do, but lie? A product of randomness believing it is in itself the supply of order it can assign.
And one cannot have it both ways if one is not lying about wanting cake. If one says it is in no claim of its being utterly random, but that certain laws were already at work to its forming (or in other terms it was formed of a determining)…what determined? Laws (of even matter, time and/or space and energy) do not determine anything and are completely mute as to their own being and process unless they speak of something themselves of their forming. What law of physics determined law to have a hearing?
But who doesn’t “believe in” gravity? It speaks to each, each and every moment. Do you doubt? Of course you do not. Was gravity “true” before any laws were discovered to describe it? Were the “law(s)” of gravity speaking to every man before his attempts to determine them? If you believe you know this, how do you know this?
“I once was not, now I am, and soon will not be”.
Yeah, consciousness is a trip. It can “insert” itself, or project itself (or believes it does) into most any situation imaginable. It will venture back in time and look at man “stuck to the earth”, even as today and conclude “yep, gravity is nothing new”. “Hey, I can see 1646 from here!”.
Even attempt to project itself into the “future.” A thing non existent…as of yet. Trippy, huh? Do you “see” the Big Bang, too? Did you look around in your consciousness and say “nope, don’t see any consciousness here, yet”…just a lot of stuff occupying very little (what isn’t “relative’?) amount of space and a monstrous amount of heat I can’t begin to describe. A thing surveying with a surveyor at the helm…in “his” own consciousness. How divisible we all are! Pilot that thing back there and tell me what you find. But see, if you really can do that what you would really be saying (as a liar by omission)…”No consciousness here…but my own”.
Oh yeah, you got a god alright.
It was asked earlier about trips to the sun, projecting into or onto places very hostile to life and whether you (your consciousness) had returned unscathed. “Going to the sun in your mind” is generally found a pretty safe trip, no?
But go ahead, now, try and touch your consciousness with your own consciousness and find if it is not, in some disturbing way, quite terrorizing. Is there a terror in consciousness? Is there not? Is the one thing by which you seek to present yourself, know yourself, even understand yourself as “being” (your own consciousness)…off limits to you?
There have been lots of questions asked over these entries. Lots of statements made, no less. And often quite so broad in scope as pertaining to man that one would have to be more than a fool to imagine they are immune to question themselves. And often, even most often in such matters, the question of authority in authorship is either plainly or more vaguely addressed in question.
I have no PhD in anything. I am neither neuro scientist nor papered philosopher, no degrees nor documents to present, and for religionists not even a legally ordained “minister”. This is not a man being humble, God forbid. For I have learned too well I am not what humility looks like. And that “too well” should be a tell all to any who read.
It is a rather proud thing to say one has learned well. And “too well”…well, that just adds gasoline to a house of paper being subject to spark, doesn’t it? For another man wrote a sentence somewhere at some time that “he who says he knows does not yet know as he ought to know”. So, in that light it may be better to say (safer to say?) I am only a man. And admittedly, for, or to, other men who share this same forming it’s very plain any self claim of specialty is patently absurd.
Yet, might we all admit that in many, if not all matters and instances, we hold some notion of authority? (Another question, already) Some presumption of its being a real thing…like consciousness, or love, or right and wrong? Some ordering in and of matters that establishes to us the truth of them, the veracity of them, the overriding reality that there is an order “of things” traceable to some foundation irrefutable of that reality.
Scientists in theory and practice tirelessly devote themselves in discovery of “laws” that govern matters of matter and energy. Of stuff seen and unseen…but real…like gravity. (Even time itself, not exempted) Historians tirelessly devote themselves to what “really took place” or was said, written, or done to some end of dispelling any common mythology of those matters that are then dispelled by their verification of what really was. Even philosophers have their playground. And I am none of these.
Yet in all there is a common thread. A search for establishment. A quest for a knowing…unquestionable. The presumption that “stuff” is governed is no small presumption. No, not at all. And that such governance can be made known, tickled from it (the stuff) to give up its secrets to be made knowable is no less grand…or is it grandiose? No, not at all. We determine to know the orderliness of things.
And if one would be so bold as to say “it is all chaos” how little would he even know of how much order is required to even say it…or think it! Would another man be too bold, or even too stupid to say of such a one who says “all is chaos and/or therefore meaningless”… “you don’t begin to know your own stupidity!”? What does the nihilist betray in any of his speaking?
Yes, a consciousness of his presumption. Not that he is conscious of his presumption, no, not at all. But that rather that he presumes the consciousness informing him that “all is meaningless” is presumed to be…right. If all is utterly random to no end, to no consequence, to no matter of mattering at all…what has led him (does he believe rationally?…with “reason”?) to such conclusion? How could he “trust” its working to the formulation of any conclusion?
And still I offer no proof of God. I have neither set out to prove the governor of all nor hold any folly that such can be done so. What I may have some impetus toward is only this, and this only. A more thorough convincing today than yesterday, that man has his baskets into which he places matters he considers of consequence, and those of no consequence. And he does this in a conscious estate of assigning…using a “thing”…his own consciousness for their determination. His use of it is for display of his having it, though in any and every other instance he would never use any tool in complete doubt of its trustworthiness. Nor how at all “it” works. Or if it does, at all. (And so gas pumps have little stickers verifying their accuracy…by “an authority”)
Consciousness is betrayed then, in both senses of that word…betray. He both uses it in claim of having it, while all the while being stirred by such matter that leaves him of no conclusivity for his discerning nor defining of it. And yet, he utterly trusts it.
Who could “peek” in there to see that thing that was previously said few would have the temerity to say, but is nonetheless there in all seeming and gleaming splendor…as full result of man’s inability to discern nor define? What else could a man come to but this in all its untangle-ability from himself in order to be discerned to himself…but “I am consciousness”?
For to even utter “my” as in “I am my consciousness” is to admit division in yourself as one thing having, and another thing…had. And something is propelling you to present and see yourself as integral, as one, even “of integrity”. He sees himself as the integer of “One”.
“I am One”.
“All of a man’s ways are right in his own eyes” someone wrote.
No, you don’t have to say it, it’s already native to you. You discern between right and wrong, good and bad (or evil), consequential matters and matters of no consequence, interests and no interest and place them into your little baskets. Just like me.
None of which can hold God.
And because of such you cannot know it is you who are being held by those baskets. Those bins for and of your assigning. Even to what is reasonable/rational and therefore acceptable, and what is not.
Yes, to yourself as “the consciousness”…you are god. And just like me, what a poor one you are.
And I have no claim nor plea of myself of any difference from you.
Yet I claim to have met a de-throner. Someone very much, and yet not at all, like you and I.
You say you cannot abide such contradiction? Such paradoxical reasoning?
Simply look at where you already live. In all presumption of having reason in a universe of all that (if) you say lacks reason for its being...can yet have reason in it. Even if it be only your own.
(Unless you believe yourself separate from it…and really…who doesn’t?)
To ourselves, and of ourselves…even from ourselves…we assume/presume ourselves to be “the Observer” of all that can be observed. Or all we care to. And ignore what we care not to.
Either going to, or being led to a place where all a man has done, might do, or is able to accomplish of himself is shown to be of absolutely no value or lasting consequence to him or any whatsoever, could certainly appear the pinnacle of frustration.
And anyone reading might see a certain care in the use of “of himself” both here and elsewhere; for if proceeding from the notion of a closed system (no matter how large nor varied) man in all is, at best, self reliant. Reliant to and of himself for any and all understanding, reasoning(s) perspective, judgments…even to those things he claims to know. For all he holds in, or of, consciousness. There is not, nor can be anything inside a man that is not of man. Yes, and in that case, man alone is even left to define himself.
And is it not quaint(?), silly(?) or curiously self revealing that he presently calls himself Homo Sapiens from the Latin for “Wise Man”? Has he or any earned that name…of wise? Or is it in just sensing enough consciousness of self to be self aware that he has found no better place to hang that placard? But again, and after all, in a closed system if man alone is able to define wise or wisdom, where else could he place it? And of course, man thinks himself wise enough to know what wisdom is. And here…all words are made up, created, assigned their being “of likeness”. But, if the words at best are only metaphors for matters assumed (or presumed) to be, in some remove for true substance, can we ever know true substance?
We use words to describe love, life, rock, snail, and if enough general agreement is concluded, at best all we do is agree that’s what these things…are. Even consciousness. With words made up in, and from, consciousness. Dare we recall the futility (or folly) inherent in using a word to define itself? Book means…book? Love means…love? Truth means…truth? A lie is a thing that is a lie? All true enough, are they not…but…of no utility to gaining understanding.
Would that not also betray some folly in man…describing or defining man? But, in a closed system…using our consciousness to define consciousness would be all we got.
And man often has the audacity to say “I cannot abide circular reasoning” when there is to him, no other. For he must always come back to some place of original presupposition, or assumption, or presumption of even being…(if that is itself fundamental…enough, or just having consciousness if “being” be a bridge too far?) Or would audacity not apply? Perhaps incapability of escaping his own reasoning(s) is what he cannot abide. After all, things in a closed system can go no farther than…closed. No matter how large or varied.
It could be supposed that kicking a thing while it’s down is bad form, poor sportsmanship, or even a betrayal of some prideful occupation revealing a prideful estate. But who’s to care at this point how pride is considered if in a closed system?
We create of ourselves the very notion of nuance, if so; and so on one hand pride in one’s children is almost encouraged and to a great extent respected and expected; whereas a man who is proud of his knowledge and accomplishments or intellectual grasp and sight sounds as venal and ridiculous as the man has just had an eye exam saying “I am very proud to have 20/20 vision”. And yet, so are we all, in our own consciousness.
If this is in doubt simply note your experience of being rebuked in a situation to which you have not agreed. The student in his setting is far more acceptable of rebuke of his ignorance by one he accepts as teacher, to which he has agreed to sit under. But in an impromptu circumstance let a schoolmate tell him his math is entirely faulty (which may be entirely true) and the reaction may be a bit more volatile. Who we accept as over us are to us our masters, and often to the end we may become masters ourselves. We will sit, but only in order to eventually leave as those now knowing. As even so we choose colleges and/or careers. “I choose to be taught of this thing, in this manner, and by this way”.
And rare might be the parent who has long tied shoelaces not finding a tight knot as a consequence in eventual submission to “now me do it!”. There is a great deal, perhaps even some fundamental quality of the consciousness of man always directing to…”but I must know for myself”. Even in the hows and whys of things.
But who can teach us of the fundamental quality of consciousness? Our relationship to it, or in it…and from which we measure, assign, direct, include, exclude every matter we have or can ever consider, unless he be superior to this experience we have of our own? Are we all on our own here?
And if so, if it be a “closed system” functionally, or practically and each man’s consciousness is in all and totally separate to himself, who is to say which is right, or true? Would those words even mean anything in such a circumstance? Could they mean anything? So this thing or matter of truth (and even rightness) could not be transcendent (though the consciousness so often claims it so) as “over all” for it would be (and actually is, and practically in that circumstance) no more than meaning consensus.
To beat that dead horse then, (or kick man’s reasonings while down) the world was flat in 400 AD and mysteriously changed some time thereafter.
But do any really believe that? That the universe is subject to changing itself in such a manner…even down to our “own” world, specifically? To go from flat to globular?
How one answers reveals his bent.
“But the universe is always changing, even expanding…” One might say.
Then in consequence one is confessing “the universe is always subject to change”
What subjects it? What then is the all making it…subject to…? If the universe…be the all?
And what a peculiar thing it is to see how the consciousness of man…in and, (if so) of the universe, presumes to himself the power to objectify it (the universe), in practical way as a “thing apart” which he observes from his consciousness…as a “thing” observable.
Either consciousness is so peculiar to allow so, so divorced from all “other matters” of the universe that the universe itself can be made subject to it, or man, in and of the universe (in a closed system) sets too much store in this thing “granted him” only by the function of the universe. And man then is now subject.